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Article ‘The Walking Dead’ recap: Over it

Discussion in '7x03: The Cell' started by MamaGrimes, Nov 6, 2016.

  1. MamaGrimes

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    USA Today wasn't a fan...

    “There’s nothing left.”

    That’s what the poor, escaped Savior tells Dwight just before Dwight shoots him in the back. He meant there was nothing left in Negan’s compound for his followers, but he could be talking about The Walking Dead itself. There’s nothing left for this show in this world, nothing except disgust and despair.

    After a season premiere that received criticism for its intense and almost pornographic violence, The Walking Dead spent its third episode physically and psychologically torturing yet another of its best and most beloved characters. And why did they do it? Because they had nothing else to do to push this tired and pointless Negan storyline along.

    The show has a problem this season, and its name is Negan. The violence is just aresult of a poorly-conceived character driving the entire show. Here’s the thing: Negan is not an effective villain. The show spent half a season building him up, had him kill two major characters and put a big-name actor behind him. But still, he generates neither fear nor loathing nor awe. There’s not enough backstory to make him fully-fleshed out and too much to make him mysterious. He’s just boring, and the show is trying to make up for it by pushing the boundaries of what he does. But just because the characters around Negan say he is scary and horrible and menacing, doesn’t make him that way. The Walking Dead has always been one of the most graphically and relentlessly violent shows on television, but it has often done so with purpose, rather than laziness.

    Until the show either finds a way to crack the Negan code or moves on from him entirely, every episodes is going to feel like work to get through. Death, torture and endless monologuing won’t help.

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  2. Doctor Grimes

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    Negan is seriously killing this show. I was looking forward to his introduction since I found him interesting and even somewhat "fun" in the comic, but it is not translating well to television. I don't think it's JDM's fault either. I think it's the dialog, the directing, just the way he's coming across. They're trying to adapt Negan's aloof, carefree nature from the comic, but it worked in the comic because it was a comic. This is "real-life." Instead it's making Negan sound like he's a 13 year old trapped in a man's body. It's... not good. And it's hard to take him as a threat seriously.
     
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    Honestly, this is how I felt when I saw him in the comics too. I just kinda wish they redid Negan entirely.

    That said, I think this article is being a little over dramatic. I guess time will tell.
     
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    Excuse me...it´s best character?? Daryl? What about him is making him out to be the best?? This very curious mind needs to know.

    Honestly, I Think Negans dialogue is suffering because he´s not allowed to swear. Someone thought they switch it to "drugaddicted-hippie-a-la-79" and expand his chattiness with about 150% would be a great idea.

    :michonneeye:
     
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    I was having a conversation with a colleague about this, and we both agreed that it wasn't even the graphic nature of the first ep this season or the violence, per se that's upsetting. It's the dearth of any kind of lightness or hope (which I know is what they're going for), but we haven't had much of any levity or respite from the horror (except for Richonne, of course, but that was all of 3 minutes). Even the apple scene and the Gleggie scene were a little ominous. I feel that in order for us to fully feel the devastation of Negan's torment, they should have shown us more of the good times, or the settling in (or some dialogue between women ffs!) and the family moments between team family. When Rick says "he's our family too" I knew that to be true, but it would have been nice if he or anyone had expressed joy and relief when he returned safely after dumpster gate. Instead we got more slicing and dicing of walkers and then boom...fast forward to wacky hijinks on the road. A conversation between Glenn and Rick about Maggie being pregnant and preparing to have a baby and what that means in this world. Hat would have been amazing. Or Maggie talking to Michonne or Carol about her fears. Something! I'm so glad we got that brief scene between Rick and Abe at the gate because that one little morsel kept me going for a while. But that's all we get. Tiny little crumbs to barely keep us holding on. They literally are toturing us like they just did with Daryl.
     
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    Even when reading the comics my first impression was like Negan is a dick just a glorified cruel bully and never understood why he's consider the big bad. Honestly **my opinion** the comic governor was a more a vilian....that dude was just twisted in so many levels
     
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    I knew eventually the "directly translate comic to tv screen" approach was going to just stop working and become a literal cartoon. It's a shame it had to happen with a great actor like JDM but really, they need to curb the cheese for whatever's left to film of S7 and tone him DOWN. Not to mention actually build upon his character, which I suppose there's still room for but really, it should've been done in these beginning episodes. SMH, how does someone end up running a show with no concept of pacing?
     
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    Agree with everything here. Everything.

    In order for their biggest baddest villain to work, the viewers need to be clear of the PRESENT stakes and not rely on memories from two or three seasons ago. I'm sorry but this is lazy and indulgent writing and it's pissing me off. What would it take to insert a two minute scene here or a montage of camaraderie there. Instead we get more walkers and time jumps.

    Amen....agreed here as well.

    Something is ringing false for me with TV Negan. He doesn't scare me or make me jittery. His lines are cartoonish and I have no idea why his people swear fealty to him when they're just basically indentured servants or, worse, trafficked women. JDM is a strong actor and very charismatic but this show is wrecking his charm for me. Completely and thoroughly. All I do now when he appears is roll my eyes and shout 'Next!' in my head as I await a scene without him in it.

    Negan is nothing more than a paper thin bully. Gareth packed more punch in a handful of scenes than this character will most likely deliver in multiple seasons.

    I'm tired, y'all, and am hoping 7x4 gives me some reasons to enjoy this show again.
     
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    I actually thought about Gareth too after viewing this episode haha. My main problem with most TWD villains is that they're products of their own evil/ego rather than products of the apocalypse/environment. The Termites were fucking awesome villains to me because they were only bad because of the horrors the apocalypse inflicted on them. Arguably so were the Claimers, using a bullshit code to maintain some old world idea of order, but really tossing it aside at any given moment when it suited them. To me, those are effective TWD villains, not "angry white man who was a loser in pre-apoc world and now wants to build imaginary power empire army". BORING. Even Rick being the "disillusioned upper class privileged man in a position of authority so bored by having everything he needs" was grating in the pilot, thankfully they/he ditched that quick smart. They need to get back to more organic, accidental villains, not comical Bond villains lol.
     
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    I think Nicotero should stay out of the writers room and directors chair and just play with his dolls and make up.
     
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    I think one of the huge problems is that we're only three episodes in, and they've already overused Negan. We already saw what he's capable of on the premiere. This episode was not necessary in any way, nor was Daryl being there. In many cases, less is more. If they'd just refrained from making this episode and showed us Maggie, Sasha, Rosita and the rest of team family having a funeral for their lost family instead, they'd give us a respite of the over-the-topness that is Negan until he stopped by to collect his part, and showed us that TF do care about each other. If they'd just waited a few episodes to show us the Sanctuary (and do it through Carl's eyes), it would've had a lot more impact. And doesn't Carl go there anyway? This episode was a waste of time. And again, why is Daryl even there? Why is Negan interested in him? No reason other than they couldn't waste an opportunity to shove more Daryl Dixon down our throats.
     
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    There's a scene in Coda if I recall right, where Rick is pointing a gun at the head of one of Dawn's men. Rick looked coldly at that man, he was really really tempted to kill him, his body was tense, he grabbed the gun as if at any minute he would shoot, there was no soul in his eyes just like he activated some kind of predatory instinct and that man was his prey. He was silent and his attention was fixed on that man. Daryl approached and told him to not do it.

    That was the kind of vibration Negan should have, but he doesn't have it. Idk if the directors tell JDM to act such way, but Rick was many many times scarier in that 5 seconds scene than 2 episodes of Negan.

    (... I tried XD)
     
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    Ding ding ding. Look, I'm easily irritated in general but I do try. I can't with Negan. He shows up and I turn and look at the camera like I'm on The Office. I don't want him to go away because he's the bad guy or because I find him scary. I want him to go away because at best he's like watching paint dry and at worst he's just spouting repulsiveness all while TPTB prop him up as amazing.

    I'd been worried about how Negan would translate but that was in regards to all of his f-bombs, apparently I should have had bigger worries. It's just not translating for me. There's a big difference between reading something on a page and seeing/hearing it acted out in front of your face. While the immature dialogue and the dramatic pauses were fine in the comic they make me want to tear my hair out television. It's just not working and he's not going anywhere so I guess I'm fucked pegged. :harold:
     
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    This is an important point. I don't think I ever asked why the residents of Terminus were following Gareth, and I didn't wonder why the Claimers stuck together. They just terrified me and I went along with the story with an understanding of the need to be part of a group in the ZA to survive. Like when a new kid starts a new school and sits with the first group that invites him/her to sit with them. It's likely the new kid will end up becoming a part of that first group of people who offered the invitation. Hopefully that first group is Rick, not Gareth. With Negan, I keep asking why the saviors stick around. Why don't they either band together and kill him one night or risk being caught and run away? There are too many reasons to question how he became a leader of so many capable men and women. What does he offer them? A more terrifying Negan would be the man who gives them a comfortable life in a clean community like Alexandria with the threat of being bashed to death at any moment. At least you would understand what drew them to Negan's community and why they risk his wrath. I mean, dropping to one's knee? How did that come about?
    Yes, 100%. Clearly TPTB realized this episode was a mistake, but couldn't write and reshoot a new episode so they just moved it from being 7x02 to 7x03. And that makes me sad. I just don't know who thought viewers would prefer to see an episode about Negan being cruel to Daryl over an episode about Maggie and Sasha and all of TF mourning the men they love.
     
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    All the bad reviews about Negan gives me hope that the show will kill him off at the end. It's the only satisfying payoff.
     
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    Either kill him or rework his character. Heck, I'll take Simon taking over the Saviors with Negan's death. That would work.
     
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    Yes!! Simon beats his ass in every way.
     
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    I would trade Negan for Simon



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    I lost interest in that article when they called Daryl one of the show's best
     
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    The Governor was cruel for absolutely no reason, at least there is a reasoning behind Negan's madness
     
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