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Poll Do you think Rosita is responsible for Olivia's death?

Discussion in '7x08: Hearts Still Beating' started by Doctor Grimes, Dec 13, 2016.

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Do you think Rosita is responsible for Olivia's death?

  1. Yes.

    50 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. No.

    7 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. Yes and no.

    27 vote(s)
    32.1%
  1. Lolololove3

    Lolololove3 Eating 112 oz. of Pudding

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    Yes. She should've calmed her ass down and thought about what her actions could possibly cause.

    I love Rosita but that shit was stupid
     
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    Yes, she's responsible. She was being a selfish idiot. It was obvious--especially after she guilt tripped Eugene into making her that bullet. She was caught up in her own grief that she refused to see that others were also hurting. If she would have kept calm, Olivia would have still been alive, and Eugene wouldn't have been taken. Her ill-conceived revenge cost someone their life and someone their freedom.
     
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  3. Appetence

    Appetence Eternally failing at productivity bc TITTD
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    Yeah, same.
     
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  4. Katana

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    Carl was the reason Negan was in Alexandria at that moment.

    Think about it, something was going to happen regardless even if Rosita didn't do what she did.
    1: No one stepped forward to clean up the mess.
    2: No one stepped up to finish that game.
    We've been shown numerous times now what happens when people don't fall in line.
     
  5. Delightfully Thomi

    Delightfully Thomi Nestled in Rick's Beard
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    This^!If Carl would have stayed his narrow behind home or just escorted Enid to Hill top and went back home none of that would have happened. Instead Carl decided to revert back to doing what he did after the prison fell and try to prove that he is better than his Dad. Although I think that Arat women had it in for Olivia and would have eventually killed her, Rosita should not have given her the excuse! Rosita should have listened to Eugene he and Father Gabriel warned her and she was being stubbern and refused to listen! So yes and no! I think that Carl and Rosita should feel guilty behind Olivia's death she was a sweet women who was doing her best to look out for our sweet baby Judith and that should count for something! Eugene was trying to be a friend to Rosita and she treated him like crap and he has to pay in part for her recklessness! Maybe Carl and Rosita will learn to think before reacting! Same goes for Daryl! However I don't hate any of them for how they are reacting to this messed up situation they are traumatized and not thinking right and Negan is a bastard! After all they are not leaders so they are not thinking of long term effects. That's what makes a leader a leader that ability to see the forest not just the tree!
     
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  6. slade3

    slade3 The New Mrs. Grimes
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    Delightfully Thomi Nestled in Rick's Beard
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    Thank you! I got it off Tumblr!
     
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  8. richonneromance

    richonneromance Survivor of Many Disasters

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    Yes, in that it was the start event that led to it but Eugene also could've spoken up earlier. He had tons of time to come clean, enough for Tara to also lie about making the bullet.
     
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    Negan would return to Alexandria sooner or later anyway. He would still do something that would make Rosita lose her cool and try to shoot him. Carl was the reason Negan was at ASZ on that particular day but it's not like Rosita wouldn't have tried killing Negan if he returned a few days later. What Carl did was stupid and reckless but he can't be blamed for Olivia's death.

    Rosita is responsible for Olivia's death. I blamed Daryl for Glenn's death, so I'm gonna blame Rosita for Olivia's death (and she was warned by both Eugene and Gabriel that doing it is stupid AND she witnessed what happened in the premiere with Daryl and Glenn). Granted, at least Rosita actually had a shot at taking out Negan as opposed to Daryl who wanted to accomplish I don't know what with his fist.
     
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    I think so. I mean she was expecting him to kill her(Rosita) if she missed. He had someone else killed instead so yeah that's on her. It's not her fault Olivia was chosen but it is that someone died.
     
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  11. slade3

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    I chose yes.

    Rick could have killed Negan. But Rick understood that killing Negan would lead to the saviors killing every person on Rick's side. Everyone Rick loves. Rosita's reasoning was simplistic - she didn't care if she died because he would be dead first. But everyone else would be dead, too. Not one member of TF or Alexandria would have survived if Rosita had managed to hit Negan. Arat, alone, would have started shooting randomly. I blame her because she saw what Negan was capable of, and she had been warned.
     
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    This is a good point. Negan was asking someone else to come finish the game/clean up Spencer. No one was moving an inch to do so. Rosita didn't fire as soon as Spencer was gutted, it was once Negan turned his attention on the rest of the group and wanted one of them to come near/interact with him (which as we've seen as a high fatality rate lol). Maybe Rosita was being more protective than vengeful in her mind. I don't think anyone was going to obey Negan's commands there, which would have lead to more fucked up games with people's lives.

    I thought I was going to hate Rosita more for her 'one bullet' plan, but I don't. And her pure agony when she was begging to be killed instead of someone else, or taken instead of Eugene. Overall it was done better than Carl's stupidity, even Daryl's.
     
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    I'm not excusing her actions; I agree it's her fault. But I think in that moment, Rosita SNAPPED! I think Father Gabriel's words did seep into earlier and I don't think she planned on killing Negan that day. I think after that convo, she was gonna retreat. But when he killed Spencer in front of everyone , well all of that went right out the window. We have to remember, this the SECOND "lover" that has been killed BRUTALLY right in front of her eyes by the same sadistic man in so many days/weeks. And yes, Spencer was a douchebag, and no one liked him but he was still a lover nevertheless. All of that just built up and she couldn't take it anymore. Yes, others have chalked up their hatred for Negan despite what they have done in front of them [Rick] but everyone has responded differently to these tragedies. We have seen each character respond in very different ways, some good, some bad. Rosita's was bad.
     
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    Yes.

    See all my reasoning in the Daryl thread. It will be exactly the same. This is actually a little worse though because, at this point, they are ALL aware of how Negan operates especially Rosita. So taking the risk is ill-advised. Add on top of that, Eugene basically told her another person would be punished for her transgression before Rosita "shamed" Eugene into making a single bullet.

    That being said, this is going to ad in her development this season (same as Daryl) so what are you going to do about it.
     
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    I voted the same way as I voted for Daryl, yes and no. Obviously, it doesn't need to be stated who did the killing, but this was as ill calculated as Daryl's behavior. I was gonna give her a smidgen of leeway because a gun would do more harm than a punch, but regardless, they would still be surrounded by Saviors with guns, and at this point, it should be clear that Negan enjoys punishing others instead of the person responsible.
     
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    I have no favorite character. That promo pic of the family standing side by side for season 5 I think it was... is my favorite "character", plus Aaron and Deanna. Just imagine the punishment if that savior told michonne Negan was heading to Alexandria and Michonne told her to drive there? Michonne with gun to a Saviors head greeted by Savoirs opening the gate?

    Agree!
    The strongest, weathered people were out there with Negan in the clearing. The rest of Alexandria hasn't been put in line.

    Think about the season six premiere with rick saying the Alexandrians weren't caught up. Then the scene on the road building the whip wall and rick tried to have carter and few others fight, learn. Sure they stepped up in no way out, but this? Don't think they'd handle it well.
    I am not standing up for Daryl in the least here. Nor Rositas actions. But both Maggie and Daryl most likely saved a lot of lives even if there were still deaths (I mean by having the strongest group out of Alexandria when they were). Imagine if the meeting didn't occur in the clearing and it later occurred at Alexandria? It more than likely would of ended up in an Oceanside like situation.

    Same here, if someone didn't step up and cleaned up and finished that game, Negan would begin breaking the rest of the people to make them fall in line after his taunting caused someone else to snap. This last episode..See Eric flail his hands when the gun was on Aaron? See Tobin? Most of the Alexandrians wouldn't of kept their heads straight and we know what happened to Glenn after Daryl acted out. It would of been a much larger scale than only Olivia . Something would of happened even if Eugene and Rosita didn't arrive when they did.
     
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    Rosita/Negan are both responsible for Olivia's death. Negan because he told rat to kill someone and Rosita because she knew that her silly plan would never have worked but she went through with it anyway.
     
  18. Nightmare

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    Just like when Daryl was blamed for indirectly causing Glenn's death, Rosita was even more aware of the situation. Negan blatantly showed what happens when you step out of line, and try to rebel.

    Eugene even does a callback to this by telling Rosita that they had already seen that one person being willing to pay the price, does not mean they will be the one. (See: Daryl punching Negan and Glenn getting killed for it and Daeyl being taken away.)

    Rosita just fires back that she will pay the price, completely ignoring that the decision would be up to Negan. And lo and behold, Rosita steps out of line, and Olivia pays the price, and Eugene was taken away.

    But just like last time, I will defend that they are fighting against a sociopath holding their lives hostage, so what he does to them, is already wrong, and them fighting back is not.

    But there is a time and a place, and both Daryl and Rosita made the mistake of acting on emotion in that moment, and a price was paid for it. Now Eugene can't even be their secret weapon, because Negan knows he can make bullets and took him.
     
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  19. Carribean_Queen

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    Olivia's death is on both dumbass Carl for prompting Negan's early trip to Alexandria and Stupid Rosita who seems to forget that Abraham dumped her sorry arse for another woman.
     
  20. jessdan1999

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    Carl is responsible for Olivia's death! Had he stayed his little ass at home that whole series events would have never transpired.