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Discussion/Meta Negan's Sadism & Sexual Subtext

Discussion in 'Negan / Jeffrey Dean Morgan' started by Doctor Grimes, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. balladsinthebluegrass

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    I think Negan just meant that Dwight had not yet proven his loyalty enough to be given the honor of executing one of TF. He needed to try a little harder before he would be given such privileges. :ogg:
     
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    Ah, that makes sense. It felt off to me since we know Dwight killed Denise, so I was wondering why Negan was holding him back.
     
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    See, I like your reading, but I took it completely different. I thought by "try a little" he meant torture & play with Daryl like he has been with Rick (which ties back into the weird sexual overtones in that line). Plus given that he lashes out at Glenn after that, someone who he knows has a wife in the lineup and who he can turn against Daryl with his actions, it's Negan wanting another plaything.
     
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    Yes, that line just had this sexual vibe to it. I thought I was looking in to it oddly but glad to know someone else thinks so too. :negan:
     
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    Many of the Negan scenes all had sexual connotations to them which makes it even more disturbing and OTT because as we have determined, Negan is a sexual sadist. No doubt about that. He isn't a rapist in the typical sense, but he is truly ruled by his overcompensated sexual desire to hurt and inflict pain. He gets off on it, and probably had the biggest h**d-on EVER after his dealing with TF and especially Rick since he is obsessed with him on every level. Can he die like NOW please? :dienegan:
     
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    I found a gifset that shows the "money shot."



    Ugh.
     
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    It wasn't even remotely subtle. :dalewtf:
     
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    Nope.

    Nicotero is a freak. :negan:
     
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    In the comics, he had spies checking out ASZ, so I reckon he does on the show
     
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    It's probably the black and white filter but that silhouette that the back light creates is WOOOOOWWWWW.

    And people are saying there's no sexual subtext?
     
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    :lol:

    Nicotero actually did some great stuff direction-wise in this episode, at least on this topic in particular. Like you said above, they completely translated Negan's sexual dialogue into JDM's physical movement and body language, which isn't all that easy to do. I suspect though it may be as much Gimple as Nicotero since he wrote the episode, and likely collab'd over it.
     
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    I haven't gone around too much discussing the sexual subtext, mostly because it makes me feel all icky, but I am sure the people who don't see it just don't want to see it because of what it means about Negan's character (which is that this guy clearly gets hard over this).
     
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    I agree with this. I never want to see ep7x1 again. Like @Armte I felt sick just looking at the gifs of the episode. I hated everything that Negan did to Rick. It was heartbreaking to watch him be humiliated by NeganT_T. Negan is a sadist and he makes me sick! I want him to pay for everything that he has done to Rick and the rest of TF.:rant::rant:
     
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    I think he said that he would go with him because he said that they have an "excellent" doctor and implied that they would bring Carl with him if he did cut the arm off!
     
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    Yeah on reddit, someone got blasted for making a thread like this. All the usual "You're reading into it too much!" and "You're so fucking dumb!" responses.
     
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    Maybe... it's possible. Or it could be that the writers forgot that Negan doesn't know Carl's name...

    I need to rewatch 6x16 and see if anyone said Carl's name at a time when they were outside the RV. If they did, it's possible that a savior could have relayed that info at anytime to Negan (before hefirst came out of the RV).
     
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    These are some great observations. I can definitely see this.
     
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    I think he knows there is a connection but he doesn't know the depth of that connection yet. That act of Michonne trying to reason with Negan gave away her deep relationship with Rick's son. No one else in the line up cried out or had an outburst when Negan was abusing Carl. No one else spoke up, only Michonne. The way Negan smiled and licked his lips when he spoke to Michonne, shows the wheels in his head turning, like he had a diagram in his mind and was connecting the dots. He was mentally drawing lines connecting the relationship of each member to the others. Michonne's outburst connected her to Carl (Rick's son). He probably figured if she had that strong a reaction to the abuse of Carl (enough to beg him to not do that to Carl), something must be going on with the father. If one has a strong relationship with the son, it is logical you have a strong relationship with the father in most cases.

    If Negan didn't catch the interactions with Rick and Michonne (the looks, the stares), I bet Simon(his right hand man) did. That man is very astute. He will imo bring it up in conversation with Negan, especially when some more leverage is needed against Rick.
     
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    The sexual symbolism in this episode is off the charts. I don't know if other people see this as I do, but I thought the killing of Abe equated to the symbolic rape of Abe. The way Negan kept hitting Abe until his head was a bloody pulp(swinging harder and harder) was like he was thrusting (forcing himself) into Abe and TF. The way Negan arched his back and the groans he made after killing Abe conveyed the picture that he just finished orgasming and riding out it's waves. The way he held the bat, showing off his conquering of Abe and the belittling of Abe's remarks harkened to a rapists belittling a rape victim and showing off his bloody penis in triumph. What went through my mind was Negan was trying to convey that Abe might have been a big strong guy but he just made him his bitch and fucked him bloody. And of course as many have stated, there was the money shot with Negan splattering the blood on Rick's face.
     
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    They just don't want to acknowledge Negan's a sexual sadist.