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Negan's treatment and view of women

Discussion in '7x03: The Cell' started by Doctor Grimes, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. Doctor Grimes

    Doctor Grimes Not Your Governor
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    So was anyone else shocked by the change from the comic that Negan lets his favorite men have sex with any woman they want as a reward? "Happy hour at the pussy bar"?

    What did everyone think of this change?
     
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    It is an interesting change but it does make sense in weird messed up way. He wants his soldiers (not the point people) to stay loyal and stay on his side. As we saw from the episodes his soldiers get the run of the place and live an elevated life as Negan's boys who literally are personifications of Negan's own personality, wants, and desires. It makes them loyal because it shows Negan can reward the faithful with whatever they desire, even his prized women. You carry the name of Negan then you are somebody.

    Funny enough it reminded me of a moment in School Daze by Spike Lee where the head of a fraternity offers his girlfriend to a fraternity brother who just crossed over because the man was a virgin. The head then disowned the woman for her disloyalty to him. Mess.

    I could see that being the mindgame as well. If the woman gives in it means there is no loyalty to Negan. If she doesn't then she disobeyed him. Either way she doesn't win.
     
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    Unless Negan found all of the local former prostitutes in northern Virginia, I have absolutely no idea how this action doesn't put him firmly over the line from charming villain to disgusting waste of space.

    It's bad enough that he 'married' a woman whose SOLE reason to offer herself to him is to SAVE HER HUSBAND. Last night's episode made it clear that Sherry isn't in love with Negan or lusting after him. She's doing whatever it takes to survive and she's using the only currency she has to do so. Her body. I would imagine the other women are of the same mindset. Sure, there might be one or two women who legitimately are attracted to Negan and have chosen the 'cushy life' but, again, unless you're a prostitute, what woman is going to sign up to be passed around from man to man?

    He's trafficking these women and that makes him 100% irredeemable in my eyes.
     
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    And he made it clear that he approached Tina as well as soon as he realized she was in distress about her medication. He swooped in right when she was at her weakest and needed that insulin to survive to proposition her. No wonder they hightailed it the fuck out of there. I would have noped out too.

    So yeah...
     
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    I think he meant "any woman, but not Sherry", not the harem. And Rocket Dog said Negan doesn't share his wives with anyone.
     
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    I wonder if they're changing it up then that Negan is only married to Sherry. Does this also mean the women and men aren't allowed to have sex with each other without Negan's permission? Even if the woman isn't married to Negan?
     
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    There was a pregnant woman with a man (her husband??) in the beginning of the episode, so maybe not :laugh:
     
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    I saw that. Now I am so confused. So why did Dwight need permission? Are some of the women just labeled the pussy bar? :lol:
     
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    Reminds me of the way ISIS recruit pathetic men with offerings of child bride virgins and such.
     
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    Maybe everyone else is allowed, but not Dwight (after his escape attempt). And now he earned his right back. I mean, he slept with Sherry before they ran away.
     
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    U guys think Sherry's gonna make it through the season?
     
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    I do.

    Her eventual death will be linked to Daryl though
     
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    Or that Dwight and Sherry getting together might cause some drama and he's not trying to deal with it. And as we've seen from Michelle and Paula the saviors have sex among one another without Negan's say so. So this might be a specific type of woman he's talking about.
     
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    I don't read the comics but I was shocked at the language and happy about it. AMC is stepping up. But just goes to show how disgusting Negan is. I mean, to just let these men have a pick at these woman "as long as they are willing" (HA!) is gross. I mean, it is like he is running a brothel as well. I am just happy they kept him looking yuck with his language. I did feel a minute of respect for Dwight because he obviously loves Sherry and even doing that makes him feel unfaithful. I have to wonder though if he actually sleeps with Sherry sometimes in their secret meet up location. It would make sense if they did.
    But nah, Negan's tone of women and how basically they are just for getting off on makes me ill. Are we really supposed to like this guy? Someone on YT and then on twitter was telling me that soon enough I will love Negan. Well, so far, he just makes me revolted. And, I have no desire at all to like him.
     
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    Thank you Mama!! I was like, wait what is happening here?! I am so glad they are making him look like a pig. I remember calling him a Pig to the TV when he was trying to convince Dwight to take a pick. I am not sure if Gimple wants to actually go the route where we are to like Negan. So far, nothing points to him being likeable. And, he is not funny.
     
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    Negan's words and his views on women make me even more nervous on that whole scene with him and Michonne on her knees with the 'dirty girl' comment. I am telling you guys, this will come up again.
     
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    Great analogy. Many of the ISIS recruits are faced with being a victim of war or joining to try and survive... and wanting to get laid.
     
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    Watching the way Negan treats women makes me love Rick that much more...
    I had an idea how Negan treated women from the comics but when I actually see it on TV, I feel kinda disgusted.
     
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    I'm wondering where this charming villain I keep hearing about is? Was it that dude who kept saying "super hot" like a frat boy with an IQ of 70? Was it that dude who made it clear he took advantage of a woman's illness? Was it that dude who said "pussy bar" and caused me to have to clarify in the bunker that my ears legitimately just heard that? :rickwtf: I'm repulsed.
     
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    The comment was vile.

    The fact that he adds "if they are willing" does not negate the fact that these women will likely have little choice, given this psychopath's unpredictability. If they say "No!" what will Negan do? He rules by fear, giving your body to a stranger because of fear of repercussion be it maiming or death if you say "no" is no different that out and out rape IMO.

    The added fact that Negan and likely his men then bare backs without care if he (or they) impregnates them is even more sickening..

    How the TPTB feel that this character could ever be redeemed is beyond me.. I'm just ugh!
     
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