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Reedus :"Cliffhangers have been happening since the beginning of entertainment..."

Discussion in '6x16: Last Day on Earth' started by tuswig, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. WalkerVoodoo

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    This. Morgan is the only one besides the kids who has clean hands at this point. The majority of the blame falls on Daryl but they all have their share.
     
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    This may be OT, but it's involving NR, so here it is.

    I keep seeing the term "cash cow" in reference to NR. Is he really, though? I am having a hard time understanding this. Sure, lots of people like him, think he's hot, or whatever. I feel like he's reached and passed his prime. He's run his course.

    Kill Daryl off. Sure, there will be some "rioting" by his fangirls (many of which are waaaaaayyyy too young to be attracted to a 48 year old man, imo) but, they'll get over it because Jesus!. Casual fans have short attention spans, like gnats, really. They'll be upset, but Jesus will show up an episode later, do something cool and the void will be filled.

    NR can just take his condescending ass elsewhere. I wont miss him.
    Sorry for the rant, I'm just so over him and his stale character. The story loses nothing in his absence imo. (Sorry Daryl fans, I used to like him, but I'm done now).
     
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    Andy is the only person who's spoken on this in a satisfactory and respectful manner so far. Geez Louise. :shane: Everyone trying to forcefeed us the fact that - "No, it's actually good storytelling. You just can't see it." - is making me see how ego-centric they've gotten about this show. Everyone should just stop speaking. Say that you're looking forward to making a satisfactory season 7 and move on.
     
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    Andy is always respectful to both the showrunners/crew/cast, etc. AND the fans, which is just another reason in a long, LONG, list of reasons to love the man. Even if you don't agree with him, he is a true gentleman.
     
  5. ReeciePiecey

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    Yep Love Andy. I was listening to a few podcast that he has done and he said that he really sucks at lying. I think that's why he is always spoiling stuff because he is just a very honest man. He is also appreciative of all the opportunities he have been afforded him and dosn't have an ego which allows him to be gracious and kind no matter what. He has also said that he generally always knows who dies because his storyarc is most effected by the deaths as the lead. So at the beginning of the season he use to know who was dying that season and he said it was really uncomfortable so he asked that they not tell him until a week or two in advance. Hence why his statement was, what it was.

    That being said I don't blame Norman for his comments. I think they are all just repeating the PR lines that they were given by TPTB. The only thing that really worked in that finale was Andy's brilliant performance. (Which I truly believe is more about Andy's talent and commitment to his character than the script the writers create or the direction he receives. This man deserves producer credit!) So that's why they are trying to posthoc spin this idea that the episode was about Ricks journey. No the episode failed and Rick's arc was the only thing worth crediting.

    I think that a lot is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about right now and I would love to get that tea.
     
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    Which podcast was that? Was it recent?
     
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    ReeciePiecey Nestled in Rick's Beard
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    No they were old like season 2-5 stuff. I just searched him on soundcloud and found a bunch of podcast. Off the top of my head there were two walking dead cast podcasts and one on the nerdist, and a couple of others I had never heard before.
     
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    Believe me I don't get it either, never have, but he's definitely the cash cow. When you look at merchandise and all you can find is him yet you have to search high and low for the ACTUAL star of the show you know you're looking at the cash cow. I have several times run across Rick stuff that's only packaged TOGETHER with Daryl stuff. :| There's even an air freshener(actual licensed merchandise) with Daryl on it, how's that for irony?

    Not to mention NR craves attention and the spotlight so he's always the one the show parades out to the media. And I think the "rioting" people aren't GA they're his "super dedicated" fangirls, because you're right the GA will move on.
     
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    Reedus to me is the olicity of TWD
     
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    See CB, I admit to not knowing much about NR, but I don't see this. I know he 'plays' to the cheers, and goofs around but that always seemed to me to be just his personality. He is well known for his goofiness, etc, and his cast mates have attested to this. It's outlandish, yes, but that seems to just be him a conscious 'seeking of attention'. AL has a completely different personality, probably more palatable. But like I said, I don't know much about NR beyond his tenure on TWD.
     
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    Oh god, he so is:gabe:
     
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    Craving attention can be a facet of someone's personality, I don't think it's an act or something if that's what you thought I was saying. I pay no attention to him outside of ensemble cast events and it's very obvious to me that he likes the attention on himself. A couple examples off the top of my head: the video at comic last year with Andy and Danai where he was like opening his shirt, randomly kissing Danai in the behind the scenes video, laying on Melissa's lap during an interview at comic con last year. All of this reads to me as attention seeking behavior. He likes attention, some people do, some people don't. Just like this sort of behavior bothers some people, like me because I find it unprofessional and immature for a man pushing 50, but doesn't bother others.
     
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    It's very childish. Not cute. I think that's why he is appealing to teenage girls.
     
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    OK, yes, I totally understand now where you are coming from. I didn't see it as an act either, but I never really thought further than that. Essentially it could be as you've said and yes, it definitely could be off-putting. He's never really been my cup of tea anyway (I'm not being specific about anything) but meh, that's just me. And when you factor in that he's pushing 50 (lol),... I get it.
     
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    Where did Reedus throw Rick under the bus, can I get quotes because I didn't see it at all.

    Daryl saved Sasha and Abe from those psycho Saviors who were going to kill them, it's nothing anyone else wouldn't have done in the group.

    Daryl went after a group who killed a member of their family. He felt he needed to handle Dwight after that asshole screwed him over and tried to kill him.

    Daryl didn't ask anybody to go with him. They went of their own accord. Daryl is a grown man, he didn't need anybody following him, but they did. everyone made their own decisions. Rosita chose to go with Daryl, Glenn and Michonne chose to follow, those are their choices.

    Everyone made the decision to fight at the church, only Morgan objected. That means, everyone is to blame. Nobody deserves all or the majority, of it.

    Daryl was in to take down the saviors, Maggie opted in, so did Rick. Everyone played their part and now they're paying for it.
     
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    You can defend Daryl all you want but we're not talking about everyone else and their choices, we're talking about Daryl. Daryl is in fact, a grown man. Why is he out skulking and acting like a child in the woods then??? Yes, it is true that they went after Daryl but they wouldn't have been out there if he was acting right and not like a selfish idiot. There is no "they made their choice to go out there". Daryl is family they are not going to let him go out there on his own, they care about him. Again, they wouldn't have had to follow him if he didn't go out there in the first place. That was a stupid move on Daryl's part. It was like a domino effect. Daryl was the catalyst, he shouldn't have gone outside of the walls. If he hadnt, the group wouldn't have followed him. Therefore, it was his fault. And Reedus did throw Rick under the bus by saying Rick is the one that drove them to that tragic meeting with Negan, pretty much saying it was all in Ricks hands even though Daryl had a part in getting them in this mess. To me, it seemed like he laid it all on Rick even though he played a part in it, because he didn't say anything about Daryl and the consequences HIS actions had on the group. So...
     
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    Daryl went out to track down Dwight, a man he saved, and tried to help to bring into ASZ. Because Daryl is a good person. This man in turn screwed him over, takes his stuff and left him on the road, and ends up killing Denise in the end. So yes, Daryl was determined to take him down. Because Dwight lives, Denise died.

    So Daryl feels a sense of responsibility for what happened to her. That's why he left on his own, didn't say anything to anyone. He wanted to handle it. And you know, Rosita was right there with him. As someone who was there with Daryl when Dwight attacked, she understood and wanted to take him down as well, so it's not like he was the lone wolf making a stupid choice while everyone else had to try and drag him back. Taking down Dwight meant something to those two.

    As for the others, everyone else was either looking for Carol, or later trying to help Maggie, with neither party knowing that the other four were even missing.

    The majority of them would have ended up in Negan's hands anyway, even if Daryl did not leave to find Dwight, and that's due to Maggie's pregnancy issues.

    Yes, Daryl played a part. They all did. But that's what I mean. It's not on the shoulders of just one person. If that's what Norman implied, then I disagree with it, but I also disagree it is mainly Daryl's fault. Everybody agreed to take down a strangers group for profit, and now they are here.
     
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    He threw him under the bus on a BTS featurette on AMC. He called Rick the pied piper who led them all into water to drown.
     
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    Good discussion. At the end of the day, though, it's the fault of Gimple and his writers for forcing impulsive actions on his characters in order to get them where he wanted to in 6.16. I've been a cheerleader of this show through some dark days (ie Not!Rick of 5b and 6a) but the last few episodes were nothing but manipulation to get us to the confrontation with the saviors in the woods:

    6.13 - Carol is revealed to now have anxiety attacks over killing. We were robbed of this character development.
    6.14 - Denise, the town's ONLY doctor, makes the reckless decision to leave the walls as a what? ZA coming of age mission? This of course sets off the Daryl vs. Dwight events of the next two episodes.
    6.15 - Where do I freaking begin? Carol runs away and, WITH SAVIORS IN THE AREA, Rick runs after her with Morgan (we are now down 3 soldiers). Daryl takes off, WITH SAVIORS IN THE AREA, to avenge Denise and Michonne, Rosita and Glenn run after him (we are now down 4 more soldiers). No one consults with anyone else. Nope...just take off with no plan, no strategy. Thanks Gimple for ignoring our intelligence.
    6.16 - Michonne, Glenn, Daryl and Rosita haven't returned, but Rick, Carl, Abraham, Aaron, Sasha and Eugene ALL escort Maggie to Hilltop, WITH SAVIORS IN THE AREA. We're now down to FG and redshirts guarding Judith cuz...um...yeah the town is pretty much empty at this point.

    I hope you get my point. Lazy writing cast poor decision making on everyone in the main cast. This is on Gimple. Rick is absolutely not the pied piper. I will argue that until the cows come home but I can't put the results on 6.16 solely on Daryl either.

    But, of course, 7.1 will make it all better....right? Right?
     
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    Gimple is to blame for all of this.