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Discussion/Meta S.S. ABECILLE: All Aboard! [Who did Negan kill? Abraham!]

Discussion in 'Speculation Archive' started by Doctor Grimes, Apr 13, 2016.

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  1. Doctor Grimes

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    A Compilation of Evidence Pointing Towards Abraham Being Negan's Victim
    (a work in progress)​
    Evidence For:
    On The Talking Dead, Gimple made a comment that no one can "Zapruder" who was killed (a reference to the man who filmed the Kennedy assassination). To that, Kirkman quipped, "That's a clue" (Or something along those lines). Zapruder's first name is Abraham.

    Right after the Lead Savior (Ogg) threatened the group and told Rick to be kind to everyone in the RV because it could be their last day on Earth, it showed Abraham at the wheel, his eyes in the rearview mirror.
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    Eugene ominously told Abe in "Twice As Far" that his "services are no longer required."
    6.14 "Twice as Far":
    Eugene
    : "Thank you for your protection. I most certainly needed it between here and Houston. But your services are no longer required. The truth, plain and honest. You've outlived your usefulness to me."​

    Abraham had a heavy-handed conversation with Sasha about having kids and starting to live again. This could be a sign Abe has come "full circle".

    Abraham had a touching good-bye with Eugene in "Last Day on Earth".

    Rosita called Abraham "champ" in "The Distance":

    5.11 "The Distance:
    Rosita
    : "Eyes on the road, champ."

    6.16 "Last Day on Earth":
    Negan
    : "Look at that! Taking it like a champ!"​

    Negan paused when he looked at Abraham; he seemed amused by Abe's stoicism -- maybe like he was thinking he would take make an example out of him.

    Abraham made a comment about the "great cosmic Pete" coming for him in "Always Accountable":

    6.06 "Always Accountable":
    Abraham
    : "I see that time before me... and I've been feeling the urge to make some plays... before the great cosmic Pete comes to cut my throat unceremoniously and I gurgle my last breath."​

    Abraham has people on either side of him in the line-up (Michonne, Maggie); Negan looks to either side of the victim before bringing the bat down.
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    The light is shining on the right side of Negan's face, which would support Abraham's position in the line-up.

    Abe's hair isn't in his face so no blocking camera view.

    He's the only person who looks like they could take eight hits with a bat.

    The Orange Crush soda cans that recurred could be a sign Abe (orange) is going to get "crushed" (Lucille'd)
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    Evidence Against:
    The van POV shots seem significant (in that the episode opens and closes on POV shots); Abraham wasn't in the van.
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    Kirkman dropping that "Zapruder" is a hint on The Talking Dead was extremely heavy-handed even for him; it makes me think Abraham is a red(head) herring.

    Nicotero said the people Negan interacts with / pays attention to in the line-up will play a role in season 7. Abraham was definitely someone Negan eyeballed.


    Fan Input:

    The pro-Abecille camp:
    Abraham is a safe bet for the Lucille'ing because the showrunners have proven time and time again they're cowardly and will not kill a major player. Abraham was given a couple more scenes post-his intended comic death (the crossbow bolt through the eye) just to give his death more meaning for Sasha when he finally did die just a little bit later.

    The anti-Abecille camp:
    Abraham's death would be a major cop-out and does not justify the cliffhanger. As well-liked as he may be, he's not a fan fave, and he's not "beloved" (and Kirkman said the death would be of someone beloved). Why kill him off just two episodes after he was supposed to die? There's definitely more story to tell there.
     
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    I'm glad the orange Crush soda made its way here.
     
  3. Doctor Grimes

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    I couldn't not add it. :lol: I might even add a picture.
     
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    Glorious and well put together as always, Doc.
     
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    seems like :ham::lucille2: is gonna happen
     
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    "The Orange Crush soda cans that recurred could be a sign Abe (orange) is going to get "crushed" (Lucille'd)"

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  7. Doctor Grimes

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    Orange Crush??!!

    Order in the courts! The jury has reached a verdict!! Abecille it is!

    That's too funny.

    now watch, it's a totally legit easter egg dropped by tptb. They think they're so fucking clever.
     
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    They had a gun with Lucille carved in. That actually happened on this show, so I wouldn't put it past them.
     
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    That's true. I think I blocked that out. Oh gawd. I'm becoming more convinced it may be Abe. Ugh.
     
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    Every time I start to get convinced it's Abe, I remember a few things:
    1. He wasn't in the van. So what was the point of the van POV sequence?
    2. He wasn't killed in 6x14. Why not just give him his comic death if he was going to die two episodes later?
    3. He's not close to Rick, Michonne, Carl, etc.
    4. What was the point of him and Negan sharing ~a look~ if it wasn't going to matter?
    5. Kirkman dropping the hint on TTD.
     
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    I love that you made seperate thread theories lol so thank you so much Doc!! I replied to the Glenn/lucielled one and I had to post here...

    Reasons it could be Abe...
    -Ogg said "someone in the vans last day on earth" or something
    -Eugene got the goodbye
    -Abe came full circle making a big deal about babies and pancakes and now he wants pancakes lol
    -Abe's hair isn't in his face so no blocking camera view
    -The champ references
    -He's the only person that sat up strong gave Negan a f u look, whoever got hit didn't take their eyes off Negan
    -My biggest theory... He's the only person in the line up that's big enough and strong enough to get hit 8 times by the bat without dying (I went back and counted lol)
     
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    I think I said this in the 'Lucille is Thirsty" thread but Abe going from having some "devil may care" attitude in 6A to thinking he wants to have kids and a future with Sasha in 6B is INCREDIBLY suspect to me. If he's not getting the bat(I'm still on the fence, yeah I'd think it'd be a cop-out but I'd take it instead of Glenn. Darcille is still the dream though) he's going to be toast pretty damn soon.
     
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    The main reason why I don't it to be Abe is because I want Sasha to be happy for a bit
     
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    Yes to all of these.

    But with #2 specifically, the only answer I can come up with is that by killing Abe, they don't have to kill Glenn or Daryl. Which means yet again they don't kill off an original cast member/Atlanta 5. And that answer leaves me like :daleeye: . Abe is a great character. I like him a lot, but I don't see the impact being the same. I just don't.
     
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    I swear to Jesus that Orange Crush theory is ruining me. ALL THE LOLS.


    Still don't think S.S. Abecille is setting sail though, Darcille has my heart.
     
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    My main problem with it being Abe: it has to be a main character!... But, at this point, I don't even know anymore and, again, I wouldn't be surprised!

    Anyway, I think he still can be very helpful in the upcoming arc, and I don't want to see Sasha all depressed and suffering once again.
     
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    I refuse to accept Abe as a theory because he wasn't in that van. Not because I'm fond of Abe but if they legit managed to screw that up it's a sad day.

    Buuuuut, his arc does seem to be coming to a close. It's possible they're gonna kill his ass early in 7A, which will definitely throw a wrench in filming spoilers too if two characters from the line up are MIA.
     
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    Great points. I already had a few of those on there, but I will add the ones I missed to the OP.
     
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    No Bueno to Abecille :cheeto::ham:I like Abe and I don't want Sasha crushed again so quickly. But if I am honest with myself I think either Glenn or Abe is getting the bat.:gabe: I don't think it's Daryl no matter how damning the evidence because I believe AMC can't part with "their" leading man. What TPTB did with the finale and the cliffhanger proves that to me, it's all about the money and ratings.

    So I have been slowly preparing myself for the potential passing of Abe D:
     
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