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Discussion in 'Predictions' started by MamaGrimes, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. MamaGrimes

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    So...Part Deux of the discussion I had with @Butler36 and @Doctor Grimes this
    evening!
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    Many fans have identified the painting as being ONLY the Queen of Spades and based on certain definitions of the Queen of Spades assumed that it symbolized Michonne.

    The painting is actually Three Queens...Hearts, Spades and Clubs...

    This is where it gets fun:

    Queen of Hearts:
    Charming, magnetic and often quite attractive, the Queen of Hearts has an innate ability to have favorable influence over others. The “Mother of Love” commands powerful emotions of empathy and compassion with a flair for the dramatic, a potent combination that makes this card, when in a tight spot, prone to excitability or moodiness. As a royal member of the Crown Cards, the Queen of Hearts has the ability to reach others through her innate leadership abilities, powerful communication skills and good business sense, and the level of success achieved is predicated on the ability to keep emotional reactions in check.

    With such a strong sensual nature, Queen of Hearts people enjoy the pleasures of life: art, entertainment, food and leisure. Nurturing the family with attention and devotion to the children is a classic Queen of Hearts expression, but with such strong leadership and business energy, people of this card may find a simple home life only part of their personal expression.

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    Queen of Spades

    The Queen of Spades represents the sternness of a mature intellect which is devoid of emotion. In mythology, the feminine is associated with emotion, yet in this card the woman is stern and composed, and without much feeling. This card therefore represents the intellect’s ability to judge and discern impartially, without the influence of emotion or sentimentality. She likes to know the how, what, why, where, when and who of everything to help her make sense of her environment and to better understand others. It is not that she does not care about others but she connects to other people through an intellectual understanding rather than an emotional understanding.

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    Queen of Clubs

    As the Queen reigning over the Clubs suit, these people usually enjoy work that involves application of the mind: communications, organizing or, on the spiritual spectrum, intuitive and psychic work. A quick study, the Queen of Clubs truly enjoys being well informed on any topic of their choosing. As a result, they often prefer to direct according to their own authority on a subject rather than follow another. Consequently, this card gravitates toward being the boss or self-employed.

    ..The communication style of the Queen of Clubs can be rather convincing if not outright aggressive. With a sharp mind can come a sharp tongue. Their ability to assess quickly can result in impatience with others who are indecisive. They are honest and outspoken leaving others knowing exactly where they stand.
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    Now these aren't the only descriptions out there so have fun looking for more. But we believe that the painting on the wall symbolizes these three women. Who they are and who they're GOING TO BE.

    Jesus is holding the painting. He will impact each of their futures because as a result of meeting him, they will be thrown into the 'New World' and they will each get their own 'Kingdom.'

    Michonne will get Alexandria
    Maggie will get Hilltop
    Carol will get The Kingdom


    Discussion is now open!

    P.S. @Butler36 was the chairperson of this convo!
     
  2. Doctor Grimes

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    I love this theory so much. If I could have its theoretical babies, I would.

    What tickles me is in that screencapture you used of Carol, the "W" on her forehead even looks like a crown. A crown for a Kingdom.

    The description are spot on for our three ladies -- each other going to be given a land to charge.
     
  3. Clutterbuck

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    BUT WHAT ABOUT POOR EZEKIEL?! I kid.

    I love this and I hope it comes to fruition in regards to Carol and The Kingdom(as I'm sure the other 2 are a given) just because The Kingdom was boring as hell in the comics (except Shiva, sorry I like tigers) but I know Gimple has to have it. Man, I hope they wouldn't stick Carol with Ezekiel :confused:
     
  4. Doctor Grimes

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    If the Three Queens theory holds, Carol probably won't be ending up with anyone:

    In the game of Old Maid, while any card can technically be used for this purpose, the queen of spades is traditionally used as a card that has no match, thereby making it the "old maid" card.

    Um.
     
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    The other day I was daydreaming of an episode in the next season that solely focuses on Michonne, Maggie, and Carol in their respective "kingdoms": Michonne watching over Alexandria while Rick is away, Maggie showing what an asset she has become at the Hilltop while low-key clashing with Gregory, and Carol getting closer to Ezekiel (or something?) at the Kingdom . So yeah, I definitely am on board with this theory! Just sucks that they aren't interacting together :(

    Maybe Zekey-baby dies before anything happens between them. Or she runs away to join the pirates!
     
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    Well damn. I mean, if she's totally fine with that than I am too, but I've still been holding out hope she'd find herself a nice, mature, level-headed man.
     
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    Let's not forget about Morgan
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    Every queen needs a prince consort or....just a consort...We shall see what happens there.
     
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    He can be like the Sir Walter Raleigh to her Queen Elizabeth.
     
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    Yes! That's perfect! (Are you listening Gimple? It's not too late for 7a re-writes...)
     
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    Connected with the your season finale theory this puts a member(or members) of TF neatly in every pocket of the "world" so the audience isn't left with a bunch of people they don't know. Though I still doubt Gimple's ability to pull that off, but that's another topic.

    @MamaGrimes I typed what's above several minutes ago but I've just been staring at the left side of your sig and didn't hit post.
     
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    I like your theory, but I think Michonne should be the Queen of Spades based on this description and Maggie should be the Queen of Hearts. This spades description screams Michonne;
    Queen of Spade have come to lead and direct. They are co-rulers with the highest authority - the King of Spade. When they find themselves in a subordinate position, they feel frustrated and miserable because they know they don't belong there!
    Queen of Spade is one who must work especially hard in life. They have good mental balance, right judgment of values, and an eagerness to work without sparing themselves. These people know where they belong, and are continually struggling to get back to the Crown.
    Queen of Hearts This is the Card of beauty, magnetism, affection and idealism. The women. Queen of Hearts represent the much-loved mother, the sweetheart, the indispensable sister, the adored daughter. The men are sensitive, creative, sympathetic and understanding. If we did not have that inevitable negative side to deal with, this would be the most desirable card in the Little Book.

    The Queen of Heart natives are talented in some artistic line, even if it's just in their appreciation of beauty or art. They are often intense and dramatic, and can be very domineering in the family. They are also capable of deep devotion and loyalty. There is a strong streak of religion in all Queen of Hearts and they are often influenced by strong minded women, religious or spiritually inclined. Even when we should, we don't like to find fault with the Queen of Heart; they are too loving and desirable!
    Queen of Clubs Always positive and strong willed, the Queen of Club are practical and decisive in their application of knowledge. Likewise, their quest for knowledge is insatiable, and they are impatient and intolerant of ignorance or mental laziness in others.
    http://www.metasymbology.com/
     
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    Excellent observation & conversation! The descriptions are SPOT ON!
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    Well that's gross. lol

    The only way I would accept Carol at the Kingdom is if it's drastically different from the GN. No tiger, no LARP, and Daryl goes with her.
     
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    There better be no tiger. Shiva was OTT has hell. I hope if they do the Kingdom (I am convinced they will; I also do think Carol is getting it) they change it up a lot.

    With the way I spec the finale may shake loose, I don't think Daryl will be in an opportunity to go with Carol. I suspect Daryl will take over Dwight's comic role down the line.

    But I've been way off before. I know this would suck because Carol and Daryl have a deep connection -- so to throw it away would be foolish. But Gimple has been foolish before.
     
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    I agree, he has. With my luck they'd go canon and Daryl would get taken by the Saviors or something. lol

    They would have to completely change the Kingdom, I doubt Carol would have time for LARP. I just worry about how Gimple would handle stories in 4 separate locations. (including the Sanctuary) We'd probably end up with a lot of bottle episodes and killing momentum again.
     
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    And also, I'm completely bias, but I don't like Gimple continuing to isolate Carol from her family. That's another reason why I'm not exactly jazzed about The Kingdom.
     
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    That's my main concern as well: going episodes and episodes without seeing characters we love. Each half is 8 episodes. 4 locations? 2 episodes per each group?

    Carol and Daryl could get together before Daryl's face gets burned. I think if it's going to happen any time soon, if has to be before the finale as you said. But otherwise I don't see it until after AOW.
     
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    Yeah, same here. The group will be split anyway, but Maggie will presumably at least have Abe and Sasha. Rick will have Michonne, Carl, and Eugene. If anyone is with Carol, it's Morgan.
     
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    This reminds me, we need a projectile vomit emoticon here. :D
     
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    I am working on getting some more of those! Hopefully soon.
     
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