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Poll TWD Rewatch Club: Beside the dying fire 2x13

Discussion in 'Season 2' started by SevenStars, Aug 19, 2016.

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What grade would you give episode 2x12 ?

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  1. Caribbeanqueen11

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    I don't believe so, just a stunt double
     
  2. SevenStars

    SevenStars Awaiting Job from Deanna

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    I think she might have hope that Rick would banished Shane, instead of killing him. The writing for Lori was kind of confusing and all over the place. At times, it felt like she wasn't a real character but plot-point.
     
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    That was a really good episode. I just always avoid season 2 cause it's slow. And the Sophia arc dragged on and on. But it lined everything up nicely, both with Michonne and the shot of prison, nicely.
     
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    SevenStars Awaiting Job from Deanna

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    I loved that. He was being so sassy. :lol:.
     
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    That's the biggest reason why it would be wise for Rick to share that information, but at the same time I understood why he kept that from them.
     
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    It really was. I liked how when they were on the high-way, they showed the writing TF left behind for Sophia. It was sad seeing that and knowing how it ended.
     
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    Yup, I think she would have reacted the same way if Shane had killed Rick. Although I think she would have been even more frightened.

    There really was no wining here, and I don't think Lori's mind even considered death as an outcome, so it takes her even longer to process it.
     
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    I loved Ernst Dickersons direction, wish he was still with TWD he was their go to for premiers and finales but they've replaced him with GN!
     
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    Base on this episode, he was way better than GN.
     
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    Me too. It's a shame because I loved the direction here more so than what Nicotero does with later episodes.
     
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    I thought I'd be able to get away with sticking around for the whole thing but nope, got called for help. And before that I screwed up and was posting PMs about it instead. Hopefully things will line up better tomorrow. :embarrass:

    I still enjoyed catching up on everyone's posts though. :)

    Nope. He might have told her out of earshot of Carl and the others first. Or maybe with his inner circle (of adults).

    Same thing I was thinking there! I was like "How do they not even know this place is there for so long?"

    One extreme Carol could go to in that situation is to assume all/most men other than her husband are honourable as you suggested. Another (that I suspect happened here) would be to assume ALL men are like her husband was until they prove otherwise. :joe:

    Thoughts:
    - I was so angry they left Andrea behind. (How did Carol not see what happened to her? She was literally right in front of her eyes!)

    - Gleggie is adorable but it was ruined a little for me by my annoyance at Maggie's line about picking up things while growing up on a farm not leading to her doing anything particularly special. Like what did she pick up exactly, how to pass out guns and drive a car slowly on the grass?) And when did Glenn learn to shoot?

    - Broke my heart watching Rick turn to Lori for support in one of the worst moments of his life (maybe the worst up to that point) and she's the literal opposite of supportive. She was reacting emotionally without thinking first, so like I think
    @Jetamors and @Gooey Goobert said, I understand, but it's so frustrating to watch.

    - From what I understand, DG wasn't even hired yet when this ep was filmed. Interestingly I noticed the walkers were different too. :D
     
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    Okay, so here's the female zombie kill count for the first two seasons! (For reference, at least one zombie is killed in every episode of the show.) 2x13 is the first episode in which more than one woman kills a zombie.

    Season 1
    1x05 - Andrea (1)

    Season 2
    2x01 - Andrea (1)
    2x06 - Andrea (4)
    2x07 - Andrea (2) - shown shooting, next episode she says she killed two
    2x08 - Andrea (1) - and with a sickle, nice!
    2x09 - Lori (2)
    2x12 - Andrea (2)
    2x13 - Andrea (>5), Lori (1), Michonne (1)

    As of the end of S2, every living male character has killed at least one zombie; 3/6 female characters have. I don't think there's been an episode in which no men have killed any zombies, though I need to double-check 2x08 on that. (Edit: Okay, I believe 2x08 is the first episode in which no man kills a zombie, although Rick does kill two humans.)

    I listed the time to first kill for male characters introduced in S1 here; the only update to that is that Carl kills a zombie (Shane) in 2x12. Interestingly, Dale never has a confirmed on-screen zombie kill, though he's been shown shooting at zombies; I believe he and Ed are the only male characters appearing in multiple episodes that this is true of.

    Time to first kill for major characters introduced in S2:
    Maggie - First appearance 2x02, no kills
    Beth - First appearance 2x02, no kills
    Patricia - First appearance 2x02, no kills
    Michonne - First appearance 2x13, first kill in her first scene

    Otis - First appearance 2x02, first kill 2x02
    Hershel - First appearance 2x02, first kill 2x09
    Jimmy - First appearance 2x02, first kill 2x13
    Randall - First appearance 2x09, first kill 2x10

    (I've also been keeping a side count of human kills, though there's nothing to report yet; so far, no female character has killed a human. Shane, Rick, and Daryl have all killed humans so far.)
     
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    Glenn actually does quite a bit of shooting in S1. I was a little surprised on rewatch.
     
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    Yep, and he didn't need training when they were doing the shooting practice. Someone else commented on it back then. I have no problem with him knowing how to shoot (though I do have a problem with every single guy knowing how to shoot). I just thought it would make more sense if he drove and Maggie did the shooting (at least that one time), considering that otherwise inexplicable line. The writing for Maggie fighting walkers in 3x01 also makes me cringe a little, because it's like she's seeking approval as she does it. I'm not looking for her to be as adept as Andrea, but for Andrea to be the only woman both willing and able to fight (Lori is able but not willing) just doesn't sit right with me.

    *edit* It's too bad we never see future Carol talk about how she could have saved Andrea if she wasn't so scared that day. She had a machete.
     
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    That was annoying too. They give us that line and then proceed to have Maggie do nothing of significance. At least when Hershel said the same back in 2.08 "Nebraska" they actually showed him shooting.
     
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    LOL was that a machete? She was waving it around like a stick!
     
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    Same time tomorrow
     
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    Yep! That was fun - great idea @SevenStars!
     
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    I'm happy people enjoyed it. I enjoyed it too and I hope we can do this for every season finale and season premiere.